In this episode, I spoke with Dr. Sara Salman, Senior Lecturer at Victoria University of Wellington in Criminology and Scholar in Residence at He Whenua Taurikura. We talked about how social neglect and injustice can negatively affect our social relationships, the responses different groups of people had to New Zealand’s Covid-19 policies, and how Māori led responses to disaster show us an alternative way to help those in need. If you are interested in learning more about what Sara discussed in this interview, see the resources below.

Fitzmaurice, L., & Bargh, M. (2021). Stepping up: COVID-19 checkpoints and rangatiratanga. Huia Publishers.


Hamilton, K. (2023) Maia Whakatakaia – A working paper on Māori recovery and responses for Cyclone Gabrielle.


Salman, S. (2023) Playing in the Team of Five Million: Conformity and Nonconformity to the New Zealand Covid-19 Pandemic Response. Crit Crim 31, 343–361.


Salman, S. (2023). The Shaming State. NYU Press.


Salman, S. (23 Feb 2024). Shaming the poor doesn’t work. It’s also cruelNewsroom.